Comments on: Web 2.0 Ain’t All That and A Bag of Chips http://www.emediastrategist.com/blog/web-20-aint-all-that-and-a-bag-of-chips/ Personal blog of Eric Shanfelt, Online Business Strategist Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:57:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Stephen Laliberte http://www.emediastrategist.com/blog/web-20-aint-all-that-and-a-bag-of-chips/comment-page-1/#comment-13696 Stephen Laliberte Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:47:31 +0000 http://www.emediastrategist.com/blog/?p=53#comment-13696 Forums have been around and producing revenue since 1987. I launched one of the first commercially successful forums for McGraw-Hill's Byte Magazine in 1987. We grew to a level of 20,000 paid subscribers at $19.95 per month. Web 2.0 is a new spin on old concepts. It is still struggling to figure out how to implement successful publishing business models. Forums have been around and producing revenue since 1987. I launched one of the first commercially successful forums for McGraw-Hill’s Byte Magazine in 1987. We grew to a level of 20,000 paid subscribers at $19.95 per month.

Web 2.0 is a new spin on old concepts. It is still struggling to figure out how to implement successful publishing business models.

]]> By: Thomas http://www.emediastrategist.com/blog/web-20-aint-all-that-and-a-bag-of-chips/comment-page-1/#comment-8281 Thomas Wed, 23 May 2007 15:08:56 +0000 http://www.emediastrategist.com/blog/?p=53#comment-8281 Well put! This is a great read - not only your post, but the comments as well. These tools are just now, (for some reason) on the forefront of the Web 2.0 push. Why they are now being classified as "Web 2.0" is beyond me. I think it was looked down on in the past as - "This will never work in business, it's just for kids and people who have nothing else to do"? They should have just coined Web 2.0 as a new awakening globally to what has really been going on in one form or another on many sites for some time. Well put! This is a great read – not only your post, but the comments as well. These tools are just now, (for some reason) on the forefront of the Web 2.0 push. Why they are now being classified as “Web 2.0″ is beyond me. I think it was looked down on in the past as – “This will never work in business, it’s just for kids and people who have nothing else to do”?

They should have just coined Web 2.0 as a new awakening globally to what has really been going on in one form or another on many sites for some time.

]]> By: Keith Gregory http://www.emediastrategist.com/blog/web-20-aint-all-that-and-a-bag-of-chips/comment-page-1/#comment-6405 Keith Gregory Fri, 11 May 2007 04:26:25 +0000 http://www.emediastrategist.com/blog/?p=53#comment-6405 I think the real meaning of web 2.0 is that small time 'chumps' can launch web sites that compete with trade publishers to put out niche news and they do so without the infrastructure costs and private equity investors that need to earn their double digit returns. This guy launched a web 2.0 site to provide mortgage bankers news: http://www.mortgagenews2.com/ He is essentially competing with my old employer- http://www.nationalmortgagenews.com Now, he has some problems- like framing content from other publishers on his site, his lack of original content, lack of distribution & marketing capacity. But, he has a much better taxonomy than what National Mortgage News has- he has little apparent costs. Distribution will be a problem, but, with a little SEO, he might do well for himself. I think the real meaning of web 2.0 is that small time ‘chumps’ can launch web sites that compete with trade publishers to put out niche news and they do so without the infrastructure costs and private equity investors that need to earn their double digit returns.

This guy launched a web 2.0 site to provide mortgage bankers news:

http://www.mortgagenews2.com/

He is essentially competing with my old employer-

http://www.nationalmortgagenews.com

Now, he has some problems- like framing content from other publishers on his site, his lack of original content, lack of distribution & marketing capacity.

But, he has a much better taxonomy than what National Mortgage News has- he has little apparent costs. Distribution will be a problem, but, with a little SEO, he might do well for himself.

]]> By: Ken http://www.emediastrategist.com/blog/web-20-aint-all-that-and-a-bag-of-chips/comment-page-1/#comment-6307 Ken Thu, 10 May 2007 13:52:46 +0000 http://www.emediastrategist.com/blog/?p=53#comment-6307 Now that I'm nearing 60, I'm anxiously waiting for Web 3.0--a humanistic but automated set of tools to filter out the dross and point towards the highest quality content. As for content, I often feel like the techies are eating their own tail. I can find hundreds of blogs on blogging or IT or software, but I have yet to find, for instance, an authoritative site on 17th century industrial technology--or rather, one that doesn't regurgitate the tourist drivel from mueum sites linking back and forth ad infinitum. But no depth unless it's IT. Seth Godin may be on to something: maybe the next big thing is longer content, not shorter. Now that I’m nearing 60, I’m anxiously waiting for Web 3.0–a humanistic but automated set of tools to filter out the dross and point towards the highest quality content. As for content, I often feel like the techies are eating their own tail. I can find hundreds of blogs on blogging or IT or software, but I have yet to find, for instance, an authoritative site on 17th century industrial technology–or rather, one that doesn’t regurgitate the tourist drivel from mueum sites linking back and forth ad infinitum. But no depth unless it’s IT. Seth Godin may be on to something: maybe the next big thing is longer content, not shorter.

]]> By: Eric http://www.emediastrategist.com/blog/web-20-aint-all-that-and-a-bag-of-chips/comment-page-1/#comment-6264 Eric Wed, 09 May 2007 23:40:48 +0000 http://www.emediastrategist.com/blog/?p=53#comment-6264 I know what you're saying, Frank, but if you read Tim O'Reilly's definition of Web 2.0 ... and he coined the term after all ... it's much more than social collaboration. It's a complete change in all aspects of the web. Some examples he uses: DoubleClick --> Google AdSense Akamai --> BitTorrent Britannica Online --> Wikipedia personal websites --> blogging domain name speculation --> search engine optimization page views --> cost per click publishing --> participation content management systems --> wikis directories (taxonomy) --> tagging ("folksonomy") stickiness --> syndication I don't necessarily agree with all of these and you can see that the bulk of them are social-related. But that's what I mean that Web 2.0 is really just a hype term. I know what you’re saying, Frank, but if you read Tim O’Reilly’s definition of Web 2.0 … and he coined the term after all … it’s much more than social collaboration. It’s a complete change in all aspects of the web. Some examples he uses:

DoubleClick –> Google AdSense
Akamai –> BitTorrent
Britannica Online –> Wikipedia
personal websites –> blogging
domain name speculation –> search engine optimization
page views –> cost per click
publishing –> participation
content management systems –> wikis
directories (taxonomy) –> tagging (“folksonomy”)
stickiness –> syndication

I don’t necessarily agree with all of these and you can see that the bulk of them are social-related. But that’s what I mean that Web 2.0 is really just a hype term.

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